Realism at its best

Demos? WTF? Guess if an admin wants to shoot those I'm fine with it, otherwise wonder what we've come to.

And heavy shells on Panzers? Eh..fine if you want to, but dont expect me to use those, Dolpf made us very fine
75mm and 88mm Armor piercing shells for our crates, so, I'd be a fool to try tossing some scrapnel over at your
slopped coffins.

Noticed the good ol' hipshhoting brought back up. Never had any trouble with them, and nomatter how many rules
pre-set, there will always be hipshooters in each battle, willing or not. Consider it more an honoursystem of the unit.
I've fought several realism battles against units whom seemed specialy trained in this aspect, while others appoligised
after if it occured even a single time.
I avoid it, for its a waste of bullets, but it happens, both at close quarters when being surprissed, or in the open...
Yes! In the open, when crossing a plain or whatnot under enemy fire or so; I usually toss some bullets over during my
sprint or so to hopefully surpress my opponents, Beside, if we play realisticly, most smgs in battles will solely
be caried by nco's or perhaps a few specialists, most grunts, nomatter what human army caried rifles
(Not Russia; I said human ), especialy in the beginning of the war. So there'll be few circulating in battles,
and mostly caried by the more responsible members. But from my point, yall can use it how you want,
hipshooting just makes you an shinier target.

"Not Russia; I said human!"
I Seriously hope thats a joke.
So just keep the little stuff like that too a minimum even though it might have been a joke.
Because it can be taken wrongly by some people and it makes no positive contribution.

I think it's pretty obvious it's a joke.

bswearer wrote:

have to agree with hollowpoint about hip shooting as well....in close quarters, human instinct will say hipshoot, not take 2 extra seconds to pull up your sights. if the game was made with guns not have truely accurate recoil, than that is the devs' fault. i say play the game as it is. of course, hipping from 100 yards accross the street is just totally unrealistic (even though a lot of fun raping with long distance hips! ) i would say hipping with any weapon is fine in close quarters. really dont understand why HE wouldnt be allowed.....use whatever you have to kill your enemy. or, just simply take the HE away from tanks if you dont want them to use it....

I'm confused about hipping shooting with the rifle and how it would unrealistic to hip shoot at close range when in reality the only time it is feasible is from 10yds in. You can't clear a building effectively sighted there are too many things to step on and your peripheral is diminished drastically. I know you see training vids on tv showing that stuff but when it acutally goes down and contact is established that goes out the window fast. Also we are using long rifles so to speak and they are not suited for being sited whilst maneuvering.

This is not to advocate Hip Shooting I'd like some one to explain what I'm missing.

i'm kinda confused about your confusion dreek....

i'm just saying, if it were my call, i'd allow hipshooting with any weapons from any distance and just play the game the way it is to avoid people arguing about people breaking a rule that will be difficult to enforce like hipshooting or spawncamping.....if people can hipshoot well, then let them, if they stink, they can do it and get killed for exposing themselves as easy targets....HOWEVER, if the majority feel that it would be more realistic to restrict hipshooting to only close quarters, i'm cool with that too and would of course follow that rule. i will agree with ritter to the fact that people will still hipshoot regardless, that is why i would suggest not making a rule against it to avoid future problems all together.....if it is going to be strictly enforced, then the demos would help. i guess it is just a question of how much drama does the administration want to deal with?

Adding rules which can easily be broken and some people will find annoying can take away from the fun of it being realism anyway

Hipshooting is impossible to regulate gentlemen. It is impossible.... It is impossible.... I have fought many matches and been in a few campaigns and all of them have out right banned or limited hip shooting. It never, ever, ever stops the Ruskis from hip shooting Papashaws. In which much fighting ensued and itsnt pleasant. I think, Ritter said it best when it just comes down to the quality of the unit. Some will apologize for being unrealistic and others will use the game to maximum advantage to win.

Personally, realism to me isnt about winning its abot having fun.

Hip shooting a Papashaw is very unrealistic for the record. I have shot a 71 mag drum from a real Ppsh and it isnt possible. Sliding the stock between your arm and leg only results in massive recoil and the barrael flying up and up. The only way to stabalize this problem is to bend your knees and stick the stock in your quad. This is massively painful and you cannot move while doing it.

Small short bursts of about 3-5 rounds is possible from the hip position and thats about it, accurately anyways.

Schweitzer wrote:

Hipshooting is impossible to regulate gentlemen. It is impossible.... It is impossible.... I have fought many matches and been in a few campaigns and all of them have out right banned or limited hip shooting. It never, ever, ever stops the Ruskis from hip shooting Papashaws. In which much fighting ensued and itsnt pleasant. I think, Ritter said it best when it just comes down to the quality of the unit. Some will apologize for being unrealistic and others will use the game to maximum advantage to win.

Personally, realism to me isnt about winning its abot having fun.

Hip shooting a Papashaw is very unrealistic for the record. I have shot a 71 mag drum from a real Ppsh and it isnt possible. Sliding the stock between your arm and leg only results in massive recoil and the barrael flying up and up. The only way to stabalize this problem is to bend your knees and stick the stock in your quad. This is massively painful and you cannot move while doing it.

Small short bursts of about 3-5 rounds is possible from the hip position and thats about it, accurately anyways.

100% agree with this Herr Schweitzer

Schweitzer wrote:

Small short bursts of about 3-5 rounds is possible from the hip position and thats about it, accurately anyways.

That's what I do. I don't think I ever spray without aim unless I'm cornered at point-blank and accuracy is not an issue.

I'm in agreement that unfortunately it is impossible to regulate, this is not the fault of the campaign, it is a design issue with RO itself. While people claim hipshooting is realistic for room clearing, and sighting down is not, that is not true at least from a modern standpoint. During all my CQB training, the weapon is ALWAYS in your shoulder pocket, and while some preferred to look over the sights, I used mine every time and that's what worked for me. I was never slower and I was always more accurate than my squaddies. What is more realistic is a position where you are simply using the natural pointing of your body and looking OVER your front sights for close quarters fighting. If you were to fire a Mauser, or MN 91/30 from the hip as modeled in game without bracing it against your shoulder.....well I would love to see how you felt about that experience afterwards (I own both). If RO had an option like RnL with different assault stances, this wouldnt be such an issue. Its not the issue of exactly looking down the iron sights on the weapon, it is seeing someone firing from a weapon held at the side....20-30 rounds with the buttstock braced against nothing that is such a travesty. In reality, it should just be something akin to aiming over the sight, but is not modeled as such.

I try to ignore what the model looks like and act as if it is simply someone using a different stance that the game does not have modeled, it at least lessens the frustration some. Because it is perfectly accurate for soldiers in intense combat to fire off plenty of poorly and un-aimed rounds.

Edit-for misspelled word

The RnL point is good. I wish RO had a combat stance of the gun in your shoulder and your head on the move and not down the sights.

But in all reality, I think worrying about hipshooting is really dumb. We need to just accept the game for what it is and have fun.

Schweitzer wrote:

The RnL point is good. I wish RO had a combat stance of the gun in your shoulder and your head on the move and not down the sights.

But in all reality, I think worrying about hipshooting is really dumb. We need to just accept the game for what it is and have fun.

agreed! fun is what it should always be about

Glad to see other ww2 enthusiasts, I myself have a MP40 and tried shooting it with stock folded and it is still pretty stable but not accurate unless close. But with the but unfolded out, it is an impresive balance since it uses 9mm. But the k98 I have not shot....YET! I must get a k98.