Binoc Sniping

Hopefully this wont be allowed

(EDITED TO STOP PEOPLE USING IT)

This of-course is highly unrealistic yet i have seen it used in one realism match (by the opposing force) to devasting effect so that it is effectivly a sniper rifle.

wow! now that is actually a very intersting tactic....never heard of it til now, but i can see how that would cause problems. now i might have to try this out on the Snipe server to see how it works!!!

agreed, this should not be allowed.

Yes, I never heard of this either, i'm sure it's very effective, but it will not be allowed. The only snipers (if any) will be the sniper class. I've never come up against this, but i'm sure it's very devestating.

It was used in IC with the PTRD I hope its not allowed here.

I too have never witnessed this tactic in use, and I agree that if such a tactic does exist that it should not be allowed, but how do we prevent it's usage?

Neither had I heard of this before, eh the best way to prevent this, as seemingly few knew of this, was not mention it!
Now everyone can read it, I suggest..deleting the post? Altering the message to clear it out?

Message has been altered, the best way to stop it happening ingame is to basicly rely on the honor system, if a team wishes to dishonor themselves and risk being banned from the campaign and any future ones its up to them. But if any witnesses such an act (hearing it over TS/Vent) they should be obliged to report it.

could just take away binocs from all but squad leader/tank commander.......let them point out targets to their ptrds and snipers, since the only reason why those classes have binocs is to find targets....

no, its good to have for Officer and Sqd leader, since one can spot for the MG...

Leave the binocs for evryone thats get them imo. Just dont do that ptrd rifle/ bio swap shit.

Is there a person who can modify weapon loadouts to allow say a machinegun assistant to carry binoculars if a unit so chooses? Will there be a limit on the number of binocs a side may carry into a battle?

I have actually used it, well with a friend back before I was in a unit. Using the binocs to direct his fire up or down left or right. I have only used this tactic one time cause I realized it was pretty lame.

Ya shouldn't be allowed I agree.

What you just descibed isnt binoc sniping, what you just said seems to be fairly ok and actually quite realistic.

Christie wrote:

What you just descibed isnt binoc sniping, what you just said seems to be fairly ok and actually quite realistic.

My friend was not using a sniper rifle. I thought it was either what I mentioned, or you are talking about snipers who are given binocs. That or I am not understanding what binoc sniping is exactly.

I think for ToC, we should edit it to take away the Binocs from everybody but the Squad leader, who with an SMG will nto be able to use that hack to good effect. Hopefully each units designated Squad Leader will have the honour not to request a rifle from someone else.

Werner Jungmann wrote:

I think for ToC, we should edit it to take away the Binocs from everybody but the Squad leader, who with an SMG will nto be able to use that hack to good effect. Hopefully each units designated Squad Leader will hav ethe honour not to request a rifle from someone else.

I'm not sure I agree with that because that would mean that we could only have squad leaders spot for the MGers.

I say leave binocs the way they are... not enough as it is imo.

just dont do this ptrd stuff. end of story

well for RO, there are only squad leaders, unike DH (and i believe MN as well) where there are also officers. i would say everybody but snipers and anti-tank that recieve binocs by defualt get them. however, it might be nice to add in a "role" as a spotter that could for example spot for a sniper/mg/ptrd since really the officer/SL's real role is not to spot for 1 soldier but direct the entire outfit. fairly easy to do this....could either just allow one rifleman to have binocs, or add in an arty observer on maps for the russians for example and make sure they have a rifle. doesnt CC have spotters already for the mortars? i am even pretty certain that a role could just be renamed to be called a "spotter" instead of say an "artilley observer", then limit it to just have 1 slot available. would have to open up my sdk to take a look at it though to be certain if it is possible.....

I don't really trust people to not cheat with the binocs.

I say take it away from everything except SL. If somebody can make a special spotter class, fine, but give them an SMG so they can't do this stuff.

good point...give the spotter an smg instread of a rifle

Technicly for a standard German squad, the Squad leader did direct/ semi spot for the MG. However for ingame purposes its more practical to have small MG/Sniper squads with a spotter.

Another feature I would like to see would be a 'Tank Crew' class with binocs and an smg or rifle. Since the game does not along tank riding on almost all tanks. 1.SS and several other units use a third tank crew member as a scout that dismounts and goes ahead on foot in certain situations.

Would we be able to make more squad leader and tank commander positions available instead of 1-2?

He edited his orignal post to not disclose exactly how it is done Behnke. That way the disease doesnt spread. I will tell you later on mIRC if you really want to know. Your a dedicated Realism player so telling you wont do jack for making the problem worse.

I tried this method out earlier today and unfortunatly it was pretty effective. I suggest taking the binocs away from anti tank guys. If a carrier or tank is driving around it should be up to the rest of the team to alert the anti tank guys where it is.